Submitted by USMaleSF (not verified) on June 1, 2009 - 18:43.
Well, from "basterdpeople's" opening line, it is clear that we are dealing with a world-class intellect. Overrated and (gasp! hide the children!) "patriarchal" Freud may be, but he could write a clear sentence. BP seems "seriously confused" not only about the essay, but about what flows out of his own head. "Open dishonest monogamy?" What was all that about? Yikes!
I see my buddy Deke has a few well-chosen words to add to this subject, one dear to his big dark heart. (Hey, Deke! Goatlor here!).
I think that the compulsive sexual behavior of gay men is not explained by homophobia (that makes us poor little victims again and again). The "liberation" theme which dominated the birth of the modern gay community was shared with other groups created in the 60's, the contemporary "woman" and "person of color". For all these groups, the story was that they had been constrained by The (White Straight) Man, so liberation meant simply being un-constrained. Some good things came of that, but a lot of self-destructiveness, too.
I think that the all-male character of the sexual pool also explains a lot. Look at (especially young) straight males; not a group noted for sexual abstemiousness. Their problem has been getting (formerly, it appears) reluctant women to cooperate. If all parties are testosterone-laden, multiple partners is the likely result. A lot of this is a male thang.
Be that as it may, males need to grow up and become men. Being a man is not merely a biological process; it is a psychological, spiritual and social achievement. Homo men need to treat themselves and other men (straight included) with some respect, even or especially, when horny. That would be a completely new thread of discussion for the gay male community (and unspeakable in the Balkanized "LGBT" etc. community): what kind of sexual code is compatible with and serves masculine honor?
Well, from "basterdpeople's"
Well, from "basterdpeople's" opening line, it is clear that we are dealing with a world-class intellect. Overrated and (gasp! hide the children!) "patriarchal" Freud may be, but he could write a clear sentence. BP seems "seriously confused" not only about the essay, but about what flows out of his own head. "Open dishonest monogamy?" What was all that about? Yikes!
I see my buddy Deke has a few well-chosen words to add to this subject, one dear to his big dark heart. (Hey, Deke! Goatlor here!).
I think that the compulsive sexual behavior of gay men is not explained by homophobia (that makes us poor little victims again and again). The "liberation" theme which dominated the birth of the modern gay community was shared with other groups created in the 60's, the contemporary "woman" and "person of color". For all these groups, the story was that they had been constrained by The (White Straight) Man, so liberation meant simply being un-constrained. Some good things came of that, but a lot of self-destructiveness, too.
I think that the all-male character of the sexual pool also explains a lot. Look at (especially young) straight males; not a group noted for sexual abstemiousness. Their problem has been getting (formerly, it appears) reluctant women to cooperate. If all parties are testosterone-laden, multiple partners is the likely result. A lot of this is a male thang.
Be that as it may, males need to grow up and become men. Being a man is not merely a biological process; it is a psychological, spiritual and social achievement. Homo men need to treat themselves and other men (straight included) with some respect, even or especially, when horny. That would be a completely new thread of discussion for the gay male community (and unspeakable in the Balkanized "LGBT" etc. community): what kind of sexual code is compatible with and serves masculine honor?