Submitted by Gossamer (not verified) on June 15, 2009 - 16:41.
As a gay man that came out long after the 80's AIDS problems, I find this whole crusade for gay marriage, well esoteric. I do agree homosexuals should be able to have the rights of a married couple as long as the concept of living a "married life".
I am tired of hearing about how wronged this group is over that group when you see all the ugliness that still occurs in the world. I have watched as a straight male friend slept with another woman on his wedding night....and then later his bride. Do I have an issue with this...well yes. This to me slaps the whole idea of marriage in the face...it does not matter if it had been a gay or straight marriage. I do not care if someone argues that this is a "moral" or "religious" argument. I think the shift in the "me" mentality since the 1960's has ruined many concepts for us all.
I also am tired of the argument about adoption. I believe that a gay couple should be able to raise a child and can do it just as well as a heterosexual couple...and that if sex education were taught by kids' parents instead of being left to our schools, maybe we would not have so many children than are in need of good homes, instead of being taken out of the homes of unfit teen parents. I think it is not a good home life for any child when a mate (gay or staight) is detaching themselves for a fling on the side...whether it be known by the partner or not. When you put your own wants before the "needs" of the family you thought you had to have... well, then maybe you should have thought about it a little longer. How about those couples that put material things and careers ahead of family? How many news stories have there been about kids in affluent homes that were ignored and left to their own devices or allowed to do as the please? Have we ever heard of a family called the Kennedys? Or how about the Lohan family? And why are Madonna and Angelina Jolie going to foreign countries when there are so many children here that need good homes...because the system will leave a child in foster care to be sexual abused and worse than severe the ties and allow this child at some type of normalcy.
People can argue that my ideals are that from being raised in a religious background, but whatever happenned to being a decent human being? You are always going to have someone that hates someone for something about them and how we as a society have tried to fix it. We have now begun to see cases of affirmative action that go against the entire idea of why it was set up in the first place. When the candidate that was appropriate for the position is overlooked because a "quota" is needed. There was something about firefighters that were overlooked because they were white....have we now let reverse discrimmination happen?
I guess I am tired of looking at an argument too that overlooks an increase in the cases of HIV/AIDS in young people. What have we all been fighting for if it is all going to be in vain? I met a young man in his early 20's that was HIV positive and was asked if he told his partners his status...his response was he did not since it would limit his chances for sex as he continues to do drugs and sleep with random partners. This is considered acceptable by many, but not me....am I now an "other". I was at a gay bar in NYC where the bartender was covered in staph sores...he told the patrons that the bandages on his arms were from a friend's cat scratching him....he lied to the patrons and some of them were HIV clientele....he could have comprimise their health when they are already comprimised, but he and the management of the bar did not care as long as money was being made. He would later get patrons drunk and turn them loose on one another and watch as they had sex in a bathroom. He did not know them or the HIV/AIDS status....this to me is reprehensible. I did the correct and "moral" thing and alerted the police...but nothing was done. The apathy that this commentary speaks of is everywhere in the world community....and is just as profound in the gay/lesbian community.
Again, whether you are gay or straight, if you do nothing about the little issues, the major issues are unimportant...and no issue should every be defined by the bed partners you keep. I think as long as people choose to live without considering the consequences for their actions, nothing will change in the idea of gay marriage. Furthermore, in my opinion, you can see the issues extend into many areas that no one wants to talk about and solve before worry about THIS issue. We just passed gay marriage in Iowa...the sad part is that one of the couples that were a major proponents for it, one of the men approached me for sex...and they have a daughter too....what's the point of the marriage if this is going to be how it is...a tax credit.
Miss California is entitled to her opinion just as I am to mine and you are to yours. The privilieges and perils of a free press. We all want our freedoms but never the costs that go along with them. If she was fired for the nude photos and those are the rules...so be it. Wasn't Vanessa Williams stripped of some kind of crown for this oh so many years ago? If you know the rules and drop you dress, do it for Playboy and walk away from these pagaents and give the spot to someone who plays by the rules and quit your whining. And besides, just a thought, how much of her getting where she is was done by the help of gay people. If anything, all her statements show is how foolish a person she is in biting the hands that have gotten her where she is...amazing when a person whines about an issue without using the common sense they are suppose to have.....and yet it is always someone else's fault....
As a gay man that came out
As a gay man that came out long after the 80's AIDS problems, I find this whole crusade for gay marriage, well esoteric. I do agree homosexuals should be able to have the rights of a married couple as long as the concept of living a "married life".
I am tired of hearing about how wronged this group is over that group when you see all the ugliness that still occurs in the world. I have watched as a straight male friend slept with another woman on his wedding night....and then later his bride. Do I have an issue with this...well yes. This to me slaps the whole idea of marriage in the face...it does not matter if it had been a gay or straight marriage. I do not care if someone argues that this is a "moral" or "religious" argument. I think the shift in the "me" mentality since the 1960's has ruined many concepts for us all.
I also am tired of the argument about adoption. I believe that a gay couple should be able to raise a child and can do it just as well as a heterosexual couple...and that if sex education were taught by kids' parents instead of being left to our schools, maybe we would not have so many children than are in need of good homes, instead of being taken out of the homes of unfit teen parents. I think it is not a good home life for any child when a mate (gay or staight) is detaching themselves for a fling on the side...whether it be known by the partner or not. When you put your own wants before the "needs" of the family you thought you had to have... well, then maybe you should have thought about it a little longer. How about those couples that put material things and careers ahead of family? How many news stories have there been about kids in affluent homes that were ignored and left to their own devices or allowed to do as the please? Have we ever heard of a family called the Kennedys? Or how about the Lohan family? And why are Madonna and Angelina Jolie going to foreign countries when there are so many children here that need good homes...because the system will leave a child in foster care to be sexual abused and worse than severe the ties and allow this child at some type of normalcy.
People can argue that my ideals are that from being raised in a religious background, but whatever happenned to being a decent human being? You are always going to have someone that hates someone for something about them and how we as a society have tried to fix it. We have now begun to see cases of affirmative action that go against the entire idea of why it was set up in the first place. When the candidate that was appropriate for the position is overlooked because a "quota" is needed. There was something about firefighters that were overlooked because they were white....have we now let reverse discrimmination happen?
I guess I am tired of looking at an argument too that overlooks an increase in the cases of HIV/AIDS in young people. What have we all been fighting for if it is all going to be in vain? I met a young man in his early 20's that was HIV positive and was asked if he told his partners his status...his response was he did not since it would limit his chances for sex as he continues to do drugs and sleep with random partners. This is considered acceptable by many, but not me....am I now an "other". I was at a gay bar in NYC where the bartender was covered in staph sores...he told the patrons that the bandages on his arms were from a friend's cat scratching him....he lied to the patrons and some of them were HIV clientele....he could have comprimise their health when they are already comprimised, but he and the management of the bar did not care as long as money was being made. He would later get patrons drunk and turn them loose on one another and watch as they had sex in a bathroom. He did not know them or the HIV/AIDS status....this to me is reprehensible. I did the correct and "moral" thing and alerted the police...but nothing was done. The apathy that this commentary speaks of is everywhere in the world community....and is just as profound in the gay/lesbian community.
Again, whether you are gay or straight, if you do nothing about the little issues, the major issues are unimportant...and no issue should every be defined by the bed partners you keep. I think as long as people choose to live without considering the consequences for their actions, nothing will change in the idea of gay marriage. Furthermore, in my opinion, you can see the issues extend into many areas that no one wants to talk about and solve before worry about THIS issue. We just passed gay marriage in Iowa...the sad part is that one of the couples that were a major proponents for it, one of the men approached me for sex...and they have a daughter too....what's the point of the marriage if this is going to be how it is...a tax credit.
Miss California is entitled to her opinion just as I am to mine and you are to yours. The privilieges and perils of a free press. We all want our freedoms but never the costs that go along with them. If she was fired for the nude photos and those are the rules...so be it. Wasn't Vanessa Williams stripped of some kind of crown for this oh so many years ago? If you know the rules and drop you dress, do it for Playboy and walk away from these pagaents and give the spot to someone who plays by the rules and quit your whining. And besides, just a thought, how much of her getting where she is was done by the help of gay people. If anything, all her statements show is how foolish a person she is in biting the hands that have gotten her where she is...amazing when a person whines about an issue without using the common sense they are suppose to have.....and yet it is always someone else's fault....